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hello

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and welcome to the fifth edition of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i am your host exo academian

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you know amidst the ongoing surge of

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interest regarding reports of elusive

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ufos

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uaps that are being seen by the military

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and civilians alike

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many seem to have missed the fact that a

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movement has emerged over the last

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couple of decades

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geared specifically towards taking the

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front foot in the relationship with

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these mysterious others

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ce5 which is short for close encounters

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of the fifth kind

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is all about human beings initiating

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contact and communication

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with these non-human intelligences ce5

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seeks not only to bring about the

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appearance of strange

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perhaps extraterrestrial craft in our

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skies

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but also to establish an ongoing

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relationship with these beings

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from elsewhere are these

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extraterrestrials

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interdimensionals some combination of

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the two

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something else entirely and how

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effective is ce5 for its proponents

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we'll discuss these in related matters

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in today's show

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with our special guest james ian doley

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a long-term ce5 practitioner and the

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founder of engaging the phenomenon

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who's not only experienced many of his

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own astounding encounters with these

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others

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but who has also championed the ce5

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cause helping to grow it into the

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thriving global community

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so without further ado let's jump into

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the interview with our special guest

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james iandoli first off just wanted to

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you know as i got to know you more i

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realized that you're quite an authority

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when it comes to cu5 and you have quite

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a background in it

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and so for people who maybe aren't so

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familiar with it uh

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how would you say ce5 got started like

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what era are we talking about

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yeah well um you know you really have to

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the modern era and you would have to

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track backwards when you were talking

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about cd5

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because ce5 in itself in the terminology

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was only created in the early 1990s by

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dr stephen greer

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but before that there were other groups

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similar if not the same things you know

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prominent groups doing a very similar

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was called mission rama which was

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a group in peru with six dope as well

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and his friends and family where they

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doing exactly what c5 describes a human

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initiated contact

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with ufo intelligence and you know they

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were utilizing

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meditation and concentration and

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to have encounters in sightings with

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ufos and it was

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very well documented but if you want to

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further than that even in

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the 1950s you have to contact these

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talking about um meditation telepathy

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and having alleged ufo encounters

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and you know actually uh jacques villa's

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um ufo is a psychic solution

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uh talks about people like john d the

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original double o seven

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using you know a nokian tables and a

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nokian magic to have

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interactions with non-human

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intelligences uh and you know the

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accounts where humans are interacting

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with the non-human intelligence

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greer in the 90s

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would you say that any of his

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perspectives have changed since then he

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the protocols around ce5 could you maybe

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talk a bit about how he established

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and if his views have changed about c5

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with his views i think that actually

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but he's um pretty set in his

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uh conclusions that um

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you know ce5 is your he's initiating

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specifically states it as that

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his original story and um

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creating the cd5 protocols goes back to

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an experience uh when he was a late

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and he was doing in his transcendental

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mountains of north carolina and

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after a very deep and transcendental

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meditation experience

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a craft appeared that he had seen when

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he was a child that

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reappeared you know this is it maybe 10

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and um a whole contact experience

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began where he claims he had basically a

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ce4 so he had an onboard experience he

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saw a being that came down

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the beam took him on the craft

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with the beings and

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together you know they um

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you know through telepathy and

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consciousness

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uh developed these protocols the ce5

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protocols as a method for humans

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to make contact with uh

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them the the alleged uh extraterrestrial

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mountains and sort of stumbled across

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this as a protocol

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what the protocols would look like from

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seven or eight year old boy which he

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and i think he had other experiences he

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doesn't talk about publicly much

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but um so it did seem like a whole

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process that he was kind of primed for

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um in what um actually dr joseph burks

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prime contactees who are almost

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seem to be trained by this intelligence

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develop the maybe the sensitivity or the

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ability of the capacity

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obviously he's very central to cu5 kind

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of you know came up with the initial

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championed the idea of ce5 being

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much bigger than dr greer and i'm just

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how resistant or open are people to that

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do people still generally see him as a

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central hub for all ce5 matters

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time and spent a lot of time thinking

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about studying researching

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the contact phenomenon they see that

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this is not something new and not

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something that he created

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see the bigger picture which is

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a person a person can choose to

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engage in in contact rather than contact

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in the desert and they use their own

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protocols and initiate contact

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but that had not really made it

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into what you can like call american

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uh but ce5 itself as far as um

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dr greer's um interpretation and kind of

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i created uh social networking platforms

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for cd5 because i wanted to you know

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i mean it was just like an obvious idea

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to me to do that so we can connect with

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other c5 participants and there was like

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that are actively involved and now

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um there's you know there's like over 20

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000 um people at least

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you know engaged online discussing it

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and um you know trying to form groups so

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um you know i really actually have to

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say you know dr grier's

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latest film uh close encounters the

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fifth kind

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uh really um took it to a whole new

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uh it it was growing over the years

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um you know pretty steadily it was on

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uh dr grier's work on youtube you know

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and the rise of the internet

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sirius in 2012 unacknowledged i think in

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you know millions of people are aware of

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the idea of ce5

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and contact and human initiated contact

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which before was probably

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tens of thousands at the best

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right very interesting um i've

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definitely noticed the

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the talk about it really increased seems

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a

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ce5 protocols

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to reach out to supposed

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extraterrestrials

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some have suggested that they think this

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is unwise to do

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this kind of deliberate willful contact

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with an intelligence that we don't

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understand

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and that seems to be much more advanced

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than us some would even claim it's

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outright irresponsible and dangerous

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even stephen hawking famously warned us

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about what we may invite by reaching out

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to the stars quote unquote

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what is your response to those people

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and those concerns

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well um first of all i wouldn't

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i wouldn't dismiss their idea and just

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say they're wrong you know

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ultimately you know we we can't make

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definitive and ultimate statements

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completely

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um not yet but um

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at the same time if you if you look well

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number one

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they're already here they've been here

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it seems for a long time

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and again c5 is nothing new this has

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but i understand people's concern with

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that

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but at the same time you know probably

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i want to say like 99 you know plus

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percent of people that are going out

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doing the

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c5 and contact work are having what i

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could consider life enhancing

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experiences

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uh you know so they seem to benefit

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interesting so you said that that sort

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of figured 95 so uh

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your understanding is from the people

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that you've talked with around the world

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that have

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uh tried these protocols that this

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particular kind of protocol

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um it's well over 90 percent uh tends to

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be positive experiences would you say

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that's true uh yeah

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even more than that and um and

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me maybe there's something to that you

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know when you're doing the c5

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you know you're going out with the

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intention of

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uh you know peaceful contact with

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um you know ufo intelligence and

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maybe that has something to do with what

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you're attracting

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um you know you're kind of going out

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there with

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uh an open mind and and

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you're you're in like what people would

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call elevated states of awareness

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so uh that might play a factor into why

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that is

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and you know i've worked with hundreds

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of people

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in the field in person and and you know

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c5

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you know retreats and events and i've

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spoken to thousands over the years

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and you know you don't have people

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you know having negative experiences

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when they're involved in the c5 work

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um maybe there's more to that that we

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just don't understand at

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this time but that just seems to be what

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the

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okay so that's some great background on

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sort of the beginnings of ce5 and some

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general questions there

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uh i'm really curious about your

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personal background uh

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what first drew you to c5 what part of

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your life was that and what was the

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catalyst

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for your interest well what got me

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involved in

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in cd5 specifically was that

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you know i was having

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contact experiences or contact events

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and

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they came to a point um where there was

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a culmination of these events that

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you know for more or less you know took

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me over the edge where i would just

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at that point i i felt that i had to

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have answers

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um you know more or less that

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became a mission for me to

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to try to understand what the these

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contact events were about

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um and you know maybe why it was

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happening and

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you know because you know sometimes you

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have these

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these contact events and they just uh i

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mean they change

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everything they can be almost

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traumatic in a sense um not always in a

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in a bad way but they will make you

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question everything that you know about

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reality so that's

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you know going to really send you on on

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a on a truth-seeking

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mission or even soul-searching right so

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um in that i you know

414
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went to the internet and i started

415
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doing research and i i i first came

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across um

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dr steven greer's disclosure project

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and to me that i was you know just in

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that alone i was amazed that

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some event in washington dc occurred

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in 2001 where all these top-level

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witnesses

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um you know gave their testimony of you

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know first-hand experience

425
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while in the government and contract

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with

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and so it was hosted by um

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dr steven grier so i'm like who you know

429
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who is this guy right

430
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he's just some random doctor that got

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all these

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you know top officials together to give

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this presentation in washington dc

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called the disclosure project so

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you know i started researching his work

436
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and

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i found some of his talks about contact

438
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and and cd5 and

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what struck me from the very beginning

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from the very first

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um talk that i heard from him

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was that what he was describing

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as contact was completely parallel to

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what i had experienced and i had never

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heard anybody

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talk about contact and such of a way of

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you know understanding

448
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you know not just like a theoretical

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thing but um

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when he was describing a lot of it that

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stuff that i experienced so if to me it

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was

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you know further than a validation it

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seemed like he actually understood

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um the you know the actual

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contact and so that's how i came across

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ce5

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interesting now you said there that you

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had already had some contact experiences

460
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and that's that was the original

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catalyst

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so c5 is all about the you know human

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beings initiating

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the the process uh was that the case

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with those initial contact experiences

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uh you know for me as far as i know that

467
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they just happened

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and i believe it or not

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as silly as it may sound in retrospect i

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had never

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thought really of um

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of trying to take a proactive role and

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to me that's why cfc5 was so

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um compelling um because i was like oh

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my god you know i

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the idea that you cannot you know be

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actively involved and not

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this is just something happening to you

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um

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with you know i had an affinity towards

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that approach and

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you know because of that i got pretty

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interesting and i'm sure people would

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love to hear

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some of the details of the kind of

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things you

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saw you experienced when you first

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started practicing the ce5 protocols so

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can you

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so to just give us some highlights of

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some of the initial experiences you had

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when you started

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using these protocols that dr greer had

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established

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yeah sure um so

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you know when you're when you're talking

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about ce5 um

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a lot of people think you know okay you

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know you're gonna go out you do a

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meditation

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and you see lights in the sky

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but it's not as simple as that because

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it's

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when you do the c5 and you know for me

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you know i was seeing

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things but some the things that may

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manifest

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um they correlate with your intention

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and thought process

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and are interactive in a way where

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um like i can give one example

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and you know i'll advise in in this

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sense for people

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not to use a laser even though in this

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sense i i was using a laser

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um but uh there was a time

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you know i went out and i did meditation

518
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outside i went through the basic c5

519
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protocols which

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is more or less projecting intentions

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for a contact experience

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and you know you know

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right in the direction where i was

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looking

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you know an orb appeared in the sky out

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of nowhere you know it was perfectly

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uh clear sky and this orb appeared and

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it started moving

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so i figured okay i have a laser here

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let me signal to it because i

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saw that in c5 videos and dr greer talks

532
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about in his trainings and whatnot

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um so i i shine the laser you know not

534
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in the path of the object but

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in proximity to it uh you know from

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where it was going

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and i you know signaled the laser once

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so it flashed once

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so i said you know it's possible that

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this is a satellite and it just so

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happened

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that it's rotating or you know it there

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was an iridium flash at

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at the right time so i'm being skeptical

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of the

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so

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three flashes with the laser and

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the object flashed three times so at

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this point i'm like okay this is

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that's pretty uncanny so i

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at that point i'm not really doubting so

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much

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that there was an interaction taking

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place

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but then i said let me just really put

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this to the test

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so instead of flashing the this the

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laser like signaling like i was

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i just held it down for like three or

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four seconds and then shut it off

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and then the you know the object

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instead of flashing it for those three

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or four seconds it got super super super

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super bright in the same like

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length of time that i had held the laser

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down

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and then it flashed and just completely

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disappeared

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um so that kind of demonstrates the the

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interactive quality that goes along with

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it

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um but you know you can see

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anything from what people call

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flash bulbs in the sky which are

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pinpoints of light

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and um again with the interactive

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quality sometimes you can

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intend for maybe you know

579
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:02,559
if if it's you know a true contact two

580
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:03,760
flashes and you

581
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,799
you might get two flashes you know uh or

582
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:08,400
things like that but

583
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:11,520
there's also things that can occur right

584
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:12,880
in the immediate

585
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:15,919
um field site so you know there was

586
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:19,440
were times when um like an

587
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:22,400
orb clearly you know i mean this kind of

588
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:24,080
sounds unbelievable

589
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,360
um it's something you have to really

590
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:27,200
experience to

591
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:29,200
to really um come to grips with i think

592
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:30,480
for some people

593
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,280
but an orb a purple and a green orb

594
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:37,919
right after each other came from what

595
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:38,640
seemed

596
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:41,279
you know from the sky i only saw it when

597
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:41,919
it was about

598
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:45,200
about 15 feet in the air coming down and

599
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:47,840
it came almost to like head shoulder

600
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,880
level

601
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:51,039
and then it was very bright and

602
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:52,240
disappeared

603
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,000
so there's things like that that can

604
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:58,470
interesting and you know one of the

605
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,320
things i i really appreciate about your

606
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:02,640
approach with ce5 and the phenomenon in

607
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,440
general

608
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:05,520
is i found you'd be very objective you

609
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,000
don't exaggerate things you don't

610
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,080
sugarcoat it you are very much an

611
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:12,720
objective researcher i appreciate that

612
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:15,520
and i'm thinking about people who want

613
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:17,919
to try ce5 for the first time and you

614
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,120
know i'm just thinking about

615
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,919
what their expectations should be so if

616
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:23,200
you were to estimate

617
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:24,799
how many times do you feel like you've

618
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:27,039
personally experienced a successful

619
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:28,960
cu5 endeavor maybe you can define what

620
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,640
that is to you successful

621
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:32,000
and what percentage of the time would

622
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:34,240
you say something anomalous happens when

623
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:34,960
people

624
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:38,400
practice these protocols you know that's

625
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:39,760
a very

626
00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:42,720
independent question it's going to be

627
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:44,840
different for everybody

628
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:48,000
um you know and

629
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,679
and c5 is is uh a skill

630
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:53,760
to an extent where it's something that

631
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:55,360
you can get better at

632
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:57,200
um you also have to take into the

633
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:58,559
account that

634
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,240
you know ultimately at the end of the

635
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:02,720
day you know the

636
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:05,840
kind of result is gonna

637
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:08,320
also depend on the phenomenon it's not

638
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,000
just completely you

639
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:12,799
it's a two-way street so you might not

640
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,080
get a response every single

641
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:17,520
time and you know i can't say why that

642
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:19,120
is

643
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:21,440
um but you know one thing i would

644
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:22,799
encourage

645
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,640
to increase the probability of having a

646
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:28,640
successful c5

647
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,480
would be kind of to prepare beforehand

648
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:34,799
so rather than just going out to a field

649
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:35,679
site

650
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:39,360
and doing the c5 protocols on the spot

651
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:42,640
and expecting a response right away

652
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:45,279
you know i would say oh well plan your

653
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:46,080
c5

654
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,600
a few days in advance and

655
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,200
you know during those few days leading

656
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:53,440
up to it do the c5

657
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,799
protocols whenever you have a chance

658
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:59,279
um you know even just like once or twice

659
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:00,400
a day

660
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:03,600
leading up to the event and you you'll

661
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,919
likely have a much higher probability in

662
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:07,279
my experience

663
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:10,400
of having a successful ce5

664
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:13,520
but also i would encourage

665
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,080
that people not have expectations

666
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:20,720
at least when they're involved in the

667
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,440
actual process of the cd5 itself

668
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:25,919
you know because um when you're doing

669
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:27,760
ce5 you want to be

670
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:31,360
present and in the moment and if you're

671
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:35,279
kind of projecting expectations

672
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,720
um you're not truly present

673
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,640
so there has to be a period of time

674
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,200
where all that is let go

675
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:46,080
um and also in this and there's a part

676
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:47,039
to it where

677
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:50,840
you want to kind of put contact into a

678
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,159
box

679
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:54,320
and expect what's going to happen you

680
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:55,919
know i'm sure we're all human we have

681
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,480
human nature and we have expectations

682
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:00,960
but just being aware of the idea that

683
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:03,760
you don't want to limit

684
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:07,520
what you think contact is supposed to be

685
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:09,679
you have to kind of let it happen and

686
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:10,880
unfold

687
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,960
and realize it for what it is rather

688
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:14,400
than trying to

689
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:18,080
make it something that it's not

690
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:22,159
right you know and it's interesting um i

691
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,840
think one question that a lot of people

692
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:25,520
would wonder about is you know

693
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:27,679
who are you talking to you know and

694
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:29,120
we've already discussed how

695
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:30,640
dr grier's view is that these are

696
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:33,039
extraterrestrial civilizations

697
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,840
that are space-faring but having studied

698
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,840
this topic as long as you have

699
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:39,520
uh with plenty of personal experience

700
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:41,600
with contact with apparently non-human

701
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,720
intelligence

702
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:44,640
who do you think you're talking to who

703
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,840
are these others

704
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:47,679
and your experiences at one group is it

705
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:49,039
more than that what would you say to

706
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:50,720
that

707
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:53,919
question um

708
00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:00,789
you know you have personally

709
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:03,039
when i've had some encounters i've had

710
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:04,640
the intelligence

711
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:07,360
more or less you know directly say in

712
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:08,960
you know through what

713
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:11,600
you would call like a lock on telepathy

714
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:12,480
that they were

715
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:15,520
extraterrestrial um and at first i kind

716
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:16,080
of

717
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:19,279
just took that at face value um

718
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,399
but over time i really began to question

719
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:24,799
um you know is that something i

720
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:25,679
translated

721
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:29,120
um or is that something that um

722
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,559
is just a matter of fact so

723
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,159
um you know personally i've had

724
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:36,320
encounters where i um

725
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:38,240
the the encounters were distinctly

726
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,320
different from others

727
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:42,559
so in that regard i think there are

728
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:44,320
several phenomena

729
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:48,159
that occur even within ce5 you know

730
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:50,799
and you can kind of speculate whether

731
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:53,679
these are just different kind of et

732
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:56,240
intelligences or maybe some are et and

733
00:29:03,990 --> 00:28:59,120
some are interdimensional

734
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,669
that is um that's a tough one to

735
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,279
completely answer as to

736
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:11,760
who this you know what's the the

737
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,840
intelligence behind the phenomenon

738
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:16,080
i don't think anybody kind of knows for

739
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:17,279
sure

740
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:20,480
and our concepts and ideas of even

741
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,760
say extraterrestrial right

742
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:23,279
extraterrestrials kind of like an easy

743
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:23,840
one

744
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:26,080
okay we hit you know beings from other

745
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:27,279
star systems

746
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,799
that kind of makes sense but when you

747
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,640
get into

748
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:32,720
inter-dimensional like what is what does

749
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,240
that even mean

750
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:36,799
um you know are they from a different

751
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:38,080
dimension

752
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:41,679
that's

753
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:46,080
sure and you know like you're sort of

754
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,039
hinting at there

755
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:49,120
uh a lot of this depends you know how

756
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,480
accurate our categories are

757
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:52,399
and it might be some category that we

758
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:53,679
haven't even imagined yet

759
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:56,559
quite possibly so this is some great

760
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,919
background on c5

761
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,279
we really appreciate hearing some of

762
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:01,120
your experiences um

763
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:02,399
for someone who'd like to learn more

764
00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:04,320
about ce5 what do you suggest

765
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,320
what resources or communities would you

766
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:08,799
point them towards

767
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:11,600
well i have a group called the cd5

768
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:12,720
initiative

769
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:15,679
on facebook and you're there's there's

770
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,399
uh

771
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,159
a lot of experienced people in that

772
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,840
group

773
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:21,520
you know who have had decades of

774
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:24,159
experience in cd5 work

775
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:27,440
um i would say that you know

776
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:29,840
although for some people dr steven greer

777
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:31,520
is a sore subject

778
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:35,919
um his his work is extremely important

779
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:39,039
not just to ce5 but i think the entire

780
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:42,480
field of ufos and contact in general

781
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,080
so even though

782
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,480
you know for some people dr stephen

783
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:50,000
greer is not popular

784
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:52,960
his i think his work in the c5 work is

785
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,640
incredibly important so i would

786
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,960
consider him a a resource that you

787
00:31:02,230 --> 00:30:58,880
should look into

788
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:02,240
but i would also say look at

789
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,279
you know other contact other contactees

790
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:07,279
look at uh mission rama

791
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:11,840
sixto paswells um enrique villanueva

792
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,519
other people that were associated with

793
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:15,840
rama who have basically been doing the

794
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:18,880
same thing as c5 just under different

795
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,470
very good um it's been really helpful i

796
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:25,840
think people have a much better

797
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,720
understanding if they didn't know

798
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:28,240
anything about ce5 they would have some

799
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:29,840
understandings now

800
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,519
before we sign off is there anything

801
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:33,760
you'd like to clarify any misconceptions

802
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,640
you'd like to

803
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,480
rectify when it comes to ce5 what would

804
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:38,159
you like people to know more about with

805
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:44,310
oh wow well that's there could be a lot

806
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:45,519
to unload there

807
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:49,760
um one one thing would be

808
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:52,240
you know it's kind of it kind of sounds

809
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:53,760
a little silly but people

810
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:56,000
often say oh you're you're praying to

811
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:57,440
the et's

812
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:59,840
and that's that's not what ce5 is or

813
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,080
what c5 is about

814
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:05,279
meditation is utilized in ce5 a lot of

815
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:05,840
times

816
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:09,440
because it's you're you're bringing your

817
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:11,519
attention and awareness into a place

818
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:12,559
where

819
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:16,399
it's it's clearer and it seems that

820
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,080
that these intelligences um

821
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:22,640
operate on levels in which we would

822
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,640
consider elevated states of awareness

823
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,320
you know whether that's

824
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,799
you know a clearer perception or you

825
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:30,559
know what have you so

826
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:33,840
um that would be one thing um

827
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:37,279
another thing i kind of think is

828
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:40,640
um kind of a misconception

829
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,519
is the idea of summoning and i i know

830
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,039
that to some people that might sound

831
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,440
accurate like okay you're summoning ufos

832
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,679
but it that's that to me is the wrong

833
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,640
mindset

834
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:53,120
it's it's an interaction it's a two-way

835
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:54,000
street

836
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:57,519
it's more of a relationship

837
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:00,559
in a sense than than

838
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,960
um like summoning rather than summoning

839
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:04,080
it's a it's an

840
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:09,190
i understood um i think that's a good

841
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:10,720
good point of clarification for people

842
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,600
as well

843
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,679
um so i really encourage people to check

844
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,440
out james's work uh he's

845
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:17,039
really been a major catalyst and

846
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,519
expanding c5 around the world and the

847
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:21,360
social media work that he's done

848
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:23,039
uh definitely check out who's engaging

849
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,399
the phenomenon

850
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:26,799
youtube channel if you haven't already

851
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,159
and james i just really want to thank

852
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:29,919
you for joining us on the

853
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:32,559
point of convergence podcast absolutely

854
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:34,159
i'm a big fan of your work i really

855
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:34,960
appreciate

856
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,799
the the uh level-headed

857
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,880
skepticism that's very open-minded at

858
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,159
the same time

859
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:44,320
great i appreciate it james thank you

860
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,389
again i'd like to thank our special

861
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,720
guest from today james ian doley who

862
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:54,640
shared his wealth of information

863
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,360
and personal history with this topic

864
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clearly from james point of view

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consciousness is essential and central

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to ce5

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understanding consciousness and

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meditation takes you a long way towards

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understanding

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what's going on and how this works and i

871
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definitely encourage you to check out

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james youtube channel

873
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engaging the phenomenon for conversation

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insights

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tips and advice regarding ce5 and

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and that brings us to a close of this

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edition of the point of convergence

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podcast

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be sure to like subscribe share this

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with your friends with

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other people you think may be interested

882
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let's keep the conversation going and

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and as always i hope you'll tune in

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again next week as we continue this

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fascinating journey

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into a paradigm shaking topic

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until then from deep in the blue ridge